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. and if not because religion is a protected group there could be a reo religious claim brought against them. gay people are not protected from any kind of discrimination by the religious print. >> in that analogy, the gay group is not a religious group so if this law passed they couldn't argue on religious grounds that they wouldn't print up this stuff for the west borough baptist church. >> exactly right. what's really striking about this, nobody except for at the very end i thought it was really telling he used the example of gay people. nobody is willing either tonight or in your prior interviews to say the word "gay" in defending bill. an entire interview they tap danced around the word "gay." if you go to yarbrough, he was up front about saying the situation in new mexico where a photographer was forced to take photographs of same sex couples commitment ceremony or wedding. >> she was sued because she wouldn't in new mexico which violates the state statutes in new mexico protecting discrimination against people based on sexual orientation. but you're right. early on a lot of lawmakers were
across the country. here's the meat of 1062 in arizona. "exercise of religion means the practice of or observance of religion, including the ability to act or refusal to act in a manner substantially motivated by a religious belief whether or not the exercise is compulsory or central to a larger system of religious belief." here is hb 376 in ohio. "exercise of religion means the practice or observance of religion. it includes but is not limited to the ability to act or the refusal to act in a manner that is substantially motivated by one's sincerely held religious belief, whether or not it's central to a larger system of larger belief." it's almost identical language, and that's no accident. sb 1062 and hb 376 and legislation in other states all share the same legal genetic code traceable back to a number of christian conservative special interest groups in the case of 1062, an outfit called the center for arizona policy, another called the alliance defending freedom didn't just push for the bill they also helped write for the bill much that's what representatives from both organ
of religion bill, and peter sprigg, who supports it. what should government do if religious freedom lets some people discriminate? tonight on "crossfire." >> welcome to "crossfire." i'm van jones on the left. >> imt s.e. cupp on the right. guests on opposite sides of arizona's religious freedom bill. both major league baseball and the nfl are playing intense pressure on governor jan brewer tonight. mlb will neither support for tolerate any word, attitudes or actions that imperil the inclusive communities that we have strived to foster within our game. there's word that the nfl might move the super bowl out of arizona. look, i'm a republican, i'm for religious liberty, i am not for this bill. i think it goes too far. but it does raise important questions, not just about religious freedom, but market freedom. and the government should not compel business owners to provide services to everyone no matter what. and if you think i'm wrong, i bet i can change your mind tonight. >> you're pretty persuasive, but you're up against a big tide of public opinion on this particular set of issues. we're goi
for that in religion. we're talking about marriages, about those ceremonies that really when you participate in them as described in the package about being artistic, you're affirming of something that runs counter to your religious beliefs. >> you're saying i can't ban -- i have the bill in front of me two pages for me saying you can do this if the person's refusal to act is moat have aed by religious belief. you're saying to me if i'm -- someone could ban me from coming in if i was married to another woman but not if i was simply a lesbian and not married to the woman? it's gay marriage that's your problem? >> that is -- it sets in place this has to be a religious belief that is deeply held and you can't just come up and create a religion. you can't come up and say, i'm not going to serve somebody this food and that would be inconsistent with a christian world view. christians want to serve people. where the issue is, and this is what happened in new mexico, what drove this was that you had a christian photography if i company that was sued for not photographing a same sex wedding ceremony. that's
in arizona this week and in you began uganda. a huge ongoing clash between religion and tolerance in my view, which is playing itself out good and bad in places. great in many ways. you're seeing a lot of gay rights being encouraged around america, for example, but in arizona a big backwards step in terms of the thinking of some people there. what's the way around this in terms of -- i have great respect for people who are very religious and interpret the bible in a certain way and it makes them have views about things like homosexuality or whatever it may be. i just don't like it when people who don't agree with something use bigoted rhetoric. i think that's a step too far. but there's a wider issue here of tolerance. and you guys are great examples of very intolerant, implaquable divides coming together. what do you think, roma? how's the best way to handle it? >> i think that perhaps as christian people we become known as people who speak out against things instead of being people who speak out for. and instead of what we oppose it's what we propose. and i think we propose love. i mean, w
because of their religion so she didn't think the bill made accepts. your organization release add statement today that read "this legislation would give homosexuals more protection than they did under the current law". given nobody could come up with example of the discrimination, how could they have more protection under a law essentially created to allow people who didn't want to serve gays getting married with things like photography or wedding cakes? >> well, the irony is that arizona does not currently have sexual orientation listed as a protected category in either their employment nondiscrimination laws or public accommodation laws. so the current state of the law in arizona is that anybody can discriminate against gays at any time for any reason or for no reason whatsoever. this bill deals only with when a government action conflicts with a person's sincerely held religious belief. it requires the person asserting that right to be able to prove that this is motivated by the religious belief, that that belief is sincerely held, and that the government action is a substantia
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with the religion it matt government of ukraine which it has pledged to do. it cannot only permit but must encourage international monitors to deploy throughout ukraine. these are the people that actually identify legitimate threats and we are asking, together with the government of ukraine, together with european community for large numbers of observers to come in here and monitor the situation and be the arbiters of truth versus fiction. russia, if it wanted to help deescalate this situation, could return its troops to the barracks, live by the 1997 base agreement and deescalate, rather than expand. now, we would prefer that. i come here today at the instruction of president obama to make it absolutely clear the united states of america would prefer to see this deescalated, managed through the structures of legal institutions, international institutions. we have worked many years in order to be able to deal with this kind of crisis. if russia does not choose to deescalate, if it is not willing to work directly with the government of ukraine as we hope they will be, then our partners will have abso
with her if she could come up with one single example of discrimination based on religion in arizona that people of faith have suffered through. she couldn't come up with one other than hypotheticals that maybe might happen. but she had no actual example of it actually having occurred. that's interesting because governor brewer specifically pointed that out. i want to play some of that exchange we had with nancy barta, one of the authors of s b 1062. >> senator, do you have any actual example of someone in arizona being forced to do something against their religious beliefs? >> well, in arizona it could be happening all the time, yes. >> do you have an actual example? >> well, surely. people may be being asked to -- >> i mean where it's actually happened. >> well, obviously if people aren't bringing it to court we don't know about it at this point. but we do know that without this law, people would not be able to defend themselves in court. >> but again, you can't name actually one example where this has happened. because people opposed to this say look, this is a problem -- this is
claim it will cause discrimination based upon religion. i stopped at that until tonight. a muslim waiter serving up here walked up to the sheriff and wouldn't give in because he said i don't serve swine. >> i know you couldn't hear that, but you were there. you were live at first when he made the comment about senate bill 1062 which you have been talking a lot about this week. a lot of people thought that could create a situation that you thought was okay. in that comment, he talked about muslims and so i guess my question to you is, is it ever okay. given our country's history to throw race outer and use it. >> i was the top guy in south america and turkey and the mideast. i know a little about foreign countries. i know about racism. i'm not going to get into my family's background. he was just making some comments. i didn't tell him what to do. i got him five minutes before. governor perry was talking about me. a lot of people roasted me. why did they put it out yesterday? why not three days ago. why did they wait for the governor's decision. you can see the politics involved in this.
directly in the face of our religion. one of our core values as christians, we believe, is to love your neighbor as yourself. this bill is seeking to under a guise of religious freedom, it is seeking to give people license to discriminate. that doesn't love your neighbor as yourself. >> in the meantime, more national companies are urging a veto with a deadline a few days away. at&t, delta airlines, intel, text smart and yelp joined the earliest opponents of this bill. >>> a scathing senate report accuses credit suisse of helping wealthy americans of hiding billions from the irs. it was money hidden in panty hose, secret meetings in hotel l lobbies with no paper trail. christine romans is here with answers >>> the top brass at the bank of credit suisse, they acknowledge the behavior and say they have cleaned it up. senators are furious that this went on for so long. the government, the u.s. government, didn't do more to stop it. no question. today, right now, we're getting a very good look at the lifestyles of the rich and greedy. the numbers are shocking. according to the senate investi
of religion are in the first amendment to the united states constitution. >> yes, they are. >> when should they take a state? this law in arizona you have to prove as a businessman you were being burdened in your religious exercise. it didn't give the right of people to just say, i discriminated based on my faith. you had 11 republicans and democrats, harvard law professors and others saying this has been mischaracterized. >> you didn't need the law because there is no special protection. i want to move off that point to the point you just made. substantial burden to my faith. how is it a substantial burden to your faith to take photos of a gay wedding if you are a catholic? >> i think if people say, listen, i don't want to sanction polygamy or gay marriage or anything other than traditional marriage, we need to respect that. if you don't like it, shop around. it's not hard for gays to find somebody who is going to take a picture of them is there? >> how is it a substantial burden to your catholic faith to do that? where in your faith does it say that doing that is very wrong? >> you know
is going to cause discrimination based upon religion in arizona. i scoffed at that until tonight. when a muslim waiter serving up here walked up to sheriff joe, wouldn't give him his dinner because he says i don't serve slime. >> reporter: he was a supporter of the immigration law in 2010. he declined to speak with cnn said the statements i maid were satirical comedy. did this roast go too far? >> it was a roast. john kavanaugh is my friend. he's not a racist. there's a double standard around here. everybody is talking about him. what about the activists and these civil rights that call mena decide and hitler. why isn't there an uproar about calling me every name in the book. why are they worried about some roast? >> yes. all right. coming up next on "new day" -- it does matter when you tell jokes. coming up next on "new day" sure it's an honor being nominated but there are no losers on oscar night. wait until you see what the stars will be going home with in those gift bags. i got to go back to hollywood. >> i'm sure they will report them on their taxes. ♪ honestly? i wanted a smart
relationship with ukraine, good diplomatic and economic religions. >> john kerry, i assume he was, if he's in washington, he was at the white house for this so-called meeting. we saw general martin dempsey, chuck hagel, james clapper, where's kerry? >> he is, we don't know where he is right now, but clearly, he has a very close relationship with sergey la the russian foreign minister. you've seen some talk about the russians possibly calling their ambassador back to moscow, but that's not really where the business between the u.s. and russia is done. it's done between capitals, the white house, between the kremlin and secretary kerry and lavrov. secretary kerry has had some positive effects with his relationship with lavrov. they put together those peace talks in geneva. we have on the syrian crisis, we haven't seen a lot of progress, but they are determined to work together and this is i think you should look for kerry to get much more involved. >> we know the vice president, joe biden, has been deeply involved in this crisis as well. stand by. i want to go to moscow right now. fred is
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